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Re: Encephalartos leave varians knowledge

Postby Gary on Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:08 am

i think in alot of cases the variant is uncalled for as species is more about cone detail.I think you could find differences in any 2 plants even if from the same complex.Area forms do produce different plants at times but then again it couldbe soil /rainfall/general growing conditions.Some say the dwarf horridus is growing conditions and if treated same as normal in cultivation will end up as a normal horridus.There is so much hybridising in the likes of natalensis in cultivation i doubt you could really pin down your form unless from habitat seed.Look at the mozambique plants-some say they are critical endangered and others say there are plenty and some say a plant is a manikensis yet others say pterogonus or chimamimaniensis.Leave detail will not sort it out but cones will more likely
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Re: Encephalartos leave varians knowledge

Postby Gary on Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:51 am

here opinions again -if ur talking robustus is it a sucker or seedling as i have heard only plants found were females so if seedling or small plant seed grown then u may have a hybrid which can have traits of either parent.I have 6 of these seedlings at 2 leaf stage and the dont look identical.They have edge leaflet spines but some seedlings are blue and others green grey and they vary in leaflet shape.Growing conditions will alter appearance like for you with more heat will get bluer looking leaves than me and faster growth and possibly u will have shorter leafs as our climates are very different..You willbe able to say u have a nubimontanus but beyond that maybe a guess.
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Re: Encephalartos leave varians knowledge

Postby Gary on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:33 am

if u just want garden plants than are pleasing on the eye then you buy whatever you like but if u want to do some seed producing further down the line then true to species is a good idea
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Re: Encephalartos leave varians knowledge

Postby Louis on Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:48 am

I agree with you Gary! Plan A should always be to keep them true to form. It gives off a whole new debate, but essentially we must try to keep them pure.
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Re: Encephalartos leave varians knowledge

Postby tropicbreeze on Sun Jan 09, 2011 2:11 am

Splitters and lumpers have been around since the year dot and will probably continue for a long time into the future. Now that DNA analysis is gaining more momentum it's going to change things a bit but in the end there will most probably still be quibbling about where the dividing lines should be.

When it comes to the commercial side of things it all seems to depend on what will sell better. The name is important when trying to convince you to buy this plant rather than that plant. So it's all determined by what will best fill the pockets of the supplier.

Nature never put any names on anything. The only difficulty is from humans trying to pigeon-hole it all. So we can make up whatever rules we want to determine what goes into which hole. It's our game, nature doesn't care. On the other hand, for humans, it would be good to know we're all on the same page when discussing something.

It's interesting, many years ago I started working with some indigenous groups and got an insight into their perception of the universe around them and how they pigeon-holed it all. Any system is valid, provided you can get consensus on how it's applied. Whatever we as humans decree doesn't change nature, only our perception of it.
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